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New kind of spam? Hitoshi Ozawa September 8, 2012 6:49 AM
RE: New kind of spam? James Falkner September 8, 2012 7:13 AM
RE: New kind of spam? Hitoshi Ozawa September 8, 2012 7:43 AM
RE: New kind of spam? Manish Kumar Jaiswal September 8, 2012 7:49 AM
RE: New kind of spam? Hitoshi Ozawa September 8, 2012 7:54 AM
RE: New kind of spam? Hitoshi Ozawa September 9, 2012 6:22 AM
RE: New kind of spam? Tomas Polesovsky September 9, 2012 1:29 PM
RE: New kind of spam? James Falkner September 9, 2012 4:03 PM
RE: New kind of spam? Hitoshi Ozawa September 10, 2012 3:28 PM
RE: New kind of spam? Victor Zorin September 10, 2012 3:37 PM
RE: New kind of spam? Hitoshi Ozawa September 10, 2012 4:09 PM
RE: New kind of spam? Brian Kim September 10, 2012 5:43 PM
RE: New kind of spam? Victor Zorin September 10, 2012 5:44 PM
RE: New kind of spam? Brian Chan September 10, 2012 5:47 PM
RE: New kind of spam? Harish Kumar September 14, 2012 8:18 AM
RE: New kind of spam? James Falkner September 14, 2012 8:54 AM
RE: New kind of spam? Hitoshi Ozawa September 15, 2012 7:23 PM
RE: New kind of spam? Victor Zorin September 29, 2012 7:39 PM
RE: New kind of spam? Juan Gonzalez September 30, 2012 12:31 AM
RE: New kind of spam? Sampsa Sohlman September 30, 2012 1:16 AM
RE: New kind of spam? Victor Zorin September 30, 2012 1:38 AM
RE: New kind of spam? James Falkner October 1, 2012 8:24 AM
RE: New kind of spam? Harish Kumar October 9, 2012 11:05 PM
RE: New kind of spam? James Falkner October 11, 2012 12:49 PM
RE: New kind of spam? Hitoshi Ozawa October 11, 2012 4:22 PM
RE: New kind of spam? Amos Fong October 11, 2012 4:46 PM
RE: New kind of spam? James Falkner October 11, 2012 4:50 PM
RE: New kind of spam? Hitoshi Ozawa October 14, 2012 2:12 AM
RE: New kind of spam? Amos Fong October 2, 2012 7:04 PM
Hitoshi Ozawa
New kind of spam?
September 8, 2012 6:49 AM
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Recently, I'm seeing an increase in posts which really doesn't say too much except seeming to agree and repeat of a question with a link with external sites. It's usually the poster's first post. From the look of it, this seems to be done by human. Is it possible the spam accounts are being created by human and stocked till the attacked or is there a new service that just attaches a link?
James Falkner
RE: New kind of spam?
September 8, 2012 7:13 AM
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Hitoshi Ozawa:
Recently, I'm seeing an increase in posts which really doesn't say too much except seeming to agree and repeat of a question with a link with external sites. It's usually the poster's first post. From the look of it, this seems to be done by human. Is it possible the spam accounts are being created by human and stocked till the attacked or is there a new service that just attaches a link?


Don't know how it's implemented, but we are experimenting with spam control techniques to find the most effective one. They are definitely getting smarter. Turning on email verification apparently has little effect - spammers have real email accounts they use to verify, so we need to find a good way to detect it based on the content of the post (like akismet) - we are experimenting now to see which one works best.
Hitoshi Ozawa
RE: New kind of spam?
September 8, 2012 7:43 AM
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Posts without too much meaningful messages seems to be increasing today. I think the only way is to not display new user's initial post by activating work flow on message board?
Manish Kumar Jaiswal
RE: New kind of spam?
September 8, 2012 7:49 AM
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I disagree , well its a open forum we should rather find other ways to stop it !!!!

Regards
Manish
Hitoshi Ozawa
RE: New kind of spam?
September 8, 2012 7:54 AM
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As you said, it's an open forum so it's not possible to stop it. I'm suggesting Liferay.com staff to filter new users' first post to check if it's a spam or not before it's posted.
Hitoshi Ozawa
RE: New kind of spam?
September 9, 2012 6:22 AM
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Got another douse this weekend. Seems there are several types now.

I sure would like to know if someone has been able to resolve spamming at their forum.
Tomas Polesovsky
RE: New kind of spam?
September 9, 2012 1:29 PM
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Hi James,

can Liferay use Akismet?

-- tom
James Falkner
RE: New kind of spam?
September 9, 2012 4:03 PM
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Tomáš Polešovský:
Hi James,

can Liferay use Akismet?

-- tom


Yep I think the web team is implementing this now .. We will get this messed cleaned up ASAP!
Hitoshi Ozawa
RE: New kind of spam?
September 10, 2012 3:28 PM
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I know that liferay.com is working hard on this but isn't it possible to take some temporary actions until the final solution get implemented?
Victor Zorin
RE: New kind of spam?
September 10, 2012 3:37 PM
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I agree.
Hey liferay guys if you need help, tell the community, we may quickly come up with some interceptors/filters/servlets/hooks, such as when Blog is attempted to be posted with words from dictionary e.g. 'sport', it will get rejected/ignored/go-to-nowhere...
Hitoshi Ozawa
RE: New kind of spam?
September 10, 2012 4:09 PM
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I think the most frustration nowadays with liferay.com is that it's beginning to get very bureaucratic. It's taking too long to do anything. I'm glad that liferay.com is growing but I do hope this building walls between responsibilities would be torn down.

This, also, looks very bad to users because it shows liferay.com can't response quickly to a problem. I'm glad that I didn't recommend using EE for our external site because I would have been out of on the streets otherwise.
Brian Kim
RE: New kind of spam?
September 10, 2012 5:43 PM
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@Hitoshi: We're going to try to fix this tonight. It required some coordination with our China team which is why there was a delay. We have a quick fix as an immediate solution (see below), but will also try to use Akismet by today.

@Victor: We have something like that already. We just had to wait to coordinate with our China team (see above) before making the change.
Victor Zorin
RE: New kind of spam?
September 10, 2012 5:44 PM
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Do not be too harsh Hitoshi, the bigger the customer base the more damaging is going to be an impact of a simple mistake, so risk management has to become more prominent.
Sometimes slowness is a sign of maturity. We all hope that this true in the case of Liferay Inc.
Brian Chan
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September 10, 2012 5:47 PM
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Yes.. we're looking for a proper solution for this new type of spam.
Harish Kumar
RE: New kind of spam?
September 14, 2012 8:18 AM
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one such post is here http://www.liferay.com/community/forums/-/message_boards/message/16228379 found on http://www.liferay.com/community/welcome/dashboard listed in Hot Topics
James Falkner
RE: New kind of spam?
September 14, 2012 8:54 AM
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Harish Kumar:
one such post is here http://www.liferay.com/community/forums/-/message_boards/message/16228379 found on http://www.liferay.com/community/welcome/dashboard listed in Hot Topics


Deleted! This came before the Akismet integration and slipped through by looking more legit (in subject) than the other 500 that day...
Hitoshi Ozawa
RE: New kind of spam?
September 15, 2012 7:23 PM
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Thanks everybody! Seems it's all back to normal now. emoticon
Victor Zorin
RE: New kind of spam?
September 29, 2012 7:39 PM
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A couple of seconds ago I have made a reply to one of the posts with the link to liferay's post.
When tried to post I had an immediate message "You message has been flagged as spam". Must be this new spam filter which does not allow links (even internal?).
Juan Gonzalez
RE: New kind of spam?
September 30, 2012 12:31 AM
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Yep, seems that is causing the issue. James Falkner is aware of this.
Sampsa Sohlman
RE: New kind of spam?
September 30, 2012 1:16 AM
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Victor Zorin:
A couple of seconds ago I have made a reply to one of the posts with the link to liferay's post.


You have done so many post, so your account should be marked as spam free and no akismet filtering required. Of course someone might be able to hack in to your account, but then that would be different problem.
Victor Zorin
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September 30, 2012 1:38 AM
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That's probably not related to account, may be something with keywords but I do not see any which could cause denial, see image below:
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James Falkner
RE: New kind of spam?
October 1, 2012 8:24 AM
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Victor Zorin:
That's probably not related to account, may be something with keywords but I do not see any which could cause denial, see image below:


Amos has implemented a new workflow for spam - messages are no longer simply discarded - if it's qustionable, it'll be put in a queue for the moderators to review and it is not displayed to forum participants. If it really is spam, we mark it as such which lets Akismet learn. If it's marked as not spam, this is also sent to Akismet so it can learn (I dunno if it learns certain authors are 'good' over time of if it's just based on content). In any case, we don't just throw messages away (deny them) anymore.
Amos Fong
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October 2, 2012 7:04 PM
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You have done so many post, so your account should be marked as spam free and no akismet filtering required. Of course someone might be able to hack in to your account, but then that would be different problem.


Yes this is a great idea, one that we're going to implement next.
Harish Kumar
RE: New kind of spam?
October 9, 2012 11:05 PM
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Hi James,

Could you please look at this profile

looks like a spammer; you can check this thread here

HTH
James Falkner
RE: New kind of spam?
October 11, 2012 12:49 PM
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Harish Kumar:
Hi James,

Could you please look at this profile

looks like a spammer; you can check this thread here

HTH


I'll keep on eye on Mr. Programmer, thanks for the heads-up emoticon
Hitoshi Ozawa
RE: New kind of spam?
October 11, 2012 4:22 PM
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Will information on setting up akismet with liferay be available?
Amos Fong
RE: New kind of spam?
October 11, 2012 4:46 PM
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A portlet should be released in the marketplace. Some features haven't been finished yet though, so I'm not sure if it will be released first or wait until everything is done.
James Falkner
RE: New kind of spam?
October 11, 2012 4:50 PM
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Hitoshi Ozawa:
Will information on setting up akismet with liferay be available?


There will soon be a Marketplace app for Akismet/Liferay integration (plus documentation). In the meantime, the source code is here. I've been pretty happy with the results since we implemented it on liferay.com!
Hitoshi Ozawa
RE: New kind of spam?
October 14, 2012 2:12 AM
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I'm pretty impressed with the results too. Thanks for the link to the source. Will be looking forward to the plugin in Marketplace. emoticon