RE: Aanmelden gebruikersgroep

RE: End User License Agreement DISCOURAGES download of some "Free" products

2013-05-02T20:53:52Z

Szymon Gołębiewski:

And here is interesting part that I want to discuss with you.

If I understand that right according to http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLIncompatibleAlone IF that plugin is made for Liferay CE which is released under LGPL AND that plugin won't work without Liferay CE THEN this plugin should be released as LGPL.

And from that comes another sentence that allows you to take that code, change it and sell it:
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLRequireAvailabilityToPublic

Am I right?

I think you could look at it that way indeed, so you suggest i should only publish it as EE then
BTW most of our/my plugins are Hooks of jsp's that have annoying remarks

1
2<%--
3/**
4 * Copyright (c) 2000-2012 Liferay, Inc. All rights reserved.
5 *
6 * This library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under
7 * the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public License as published by the Free
8 * Software Foundation; either version 2.1 of the License, or (at your option)
9 * any later version.
10 *
11 * This library is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT
12 * ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS
13 * FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU Lesser General Public License for more
14 * details.
15 */
16[code]
17But i just want to be exempted from liability, you may choke on my code :cold:

RE: End User License Agreement DISCOURAGES download of some "Free" products

2013-04-22T21:51:11Z

Hi Pius,

Pius Onobhayedo:

1. Can a plugin made available for "Free" be used for a professional deployment under such EULA?
2. Will financial gain from the deployment of "Free" plugin constitute an abuse under such EULA?
3. Does the Licensee have perpetual right to use the plugin if no abuse? The EULA needs to be clear on this.

I think all these questions are answered here;

The Software is being licensed, not sold. Licensor hereby grants you, subject to the terms and conditions contained within this Agreement, a non-exclusive, non-assignable, non-sublicensable and non-transferable, except as permitted by Licensor, license to install and use the Software.

The terms of this Agreement will govern any Updates to the Software provided by Licensor that replace and/or supplement the original Software, unless such Updates are accompanied by a separate Agreement, in which case the terms of that Agreement will govern.

1. Yes it grants you any kind of deployment since it is not specified otherwise.
2. No since it is not specified as limited
3. Yes, only until it changes with a next Update/Release.

Pius Onobhayedo:

4. Can the Licensee modify the codes to suit his/her specific professional purpose?

This depends on the specific EULA. IMO this generic EULA does not grant you this right.

(i) transfer rights or usage to, sublicense, rent, lease or otherwise copy, transfer, transmit or distribute the Software, or any portions thereof, to a third party;
(ii) decompile, reverse-engineer, disassemble, attempt to derive the source code of, modify, or create derivative works of the Software, any updates, or any part thereof (except as and only to the extent that any foregoing restriction is prohibited by applicable law or to the extent as may be permitted by the licensing terms governing use of any open-sourced components included with the Software);

4. Ownership.

Title, copyrights, intellectual property rights, international treaty and other rights as applicable, and all other legal rights in the Software and all modifications, enhancements, derivatives and other alterations of the Software regardless of who made any modifications, if any, are, and shall remain the sole and exclusive property of Licensor. The license for use granted herein is limited to the Software and does not transfer any ownership or any other intellectual property rights from Licensor to you.

I think you cannot change/enhance the code and sell it as yours under LGPL (copyleft) either. The main reason why LR 6.0 changed licence from MIT to LGPL. Read up for historians.
I do not know if a pull request is legally sufficient. Probably your complete fork needs to refer to the original code/owner and all your code has to be publicly available and free.

Regarding your previous concern "suggest that it may have been centrally created by Liferay" : The Plugins are explicitly not from Liferay inc.

You hereby acknowledge that this Agreement is concluded between Licensor and you only, and not with Liferay, and that as between Licensor and Liferay, Licensor, not Liferay, is solely responsible for the Software and the content thereof.

5. Is it really complex to clearly specify a plugin as "Free and Open Source" or "Free and Proprietary" or "Commercial and Open Source" or "Commercial and Proprietary"? I think that clarity is very important for professionals to be able to make proper business decisions. There is no doubt for example, that Liferay portal has two versions - A Free Community Edition as well as a Commercial Enterprise Edition. I think that the marketplace needs such clarity.

Free and Open Source
Which of the open source licences would be applicable? http://opensource.org/licenses for a comparison
Should a developer be able to opt for a specific licences.

After all I think you are right that different generic EULA's should help both developers(Licensor) and Licensee for clarity.
But it has nothing to do with the word "free" but with the licence agreement.
It would be good before you download a Plugin you could clearly see what generic EULA is in use.
Since Liferay is an open source project maybe you could start a Wiki page on such EULA's from which a developer could easily copy and paste this when publishing his/her Apps

Regards,
Corné

RE: End User License Agreement DISCOURAGES download of some "Free" products

2013-04-22T12:55:29Z

Hi Pius,

First let me point you to an earlier discussion on the word "free" used by Marketplace.
UPDATED link to discussion

IMHO a free 'coke' doesn't mean that you get the secret formula with a bottle , nor the right to deconstruct it.
One might just want to share his idea/product (song) but does not want you to steal that idea for your own benefit.

11. Termination.
This Agreement is effective until terminated by you or Licensor. ... Upon the termination of this Agreement, you shall cease all use of the Software and destroy all copies, full or partial, of the Software.

Your dotted line states:

upon any failure to comply with any term(s) of this Agreement.

IMO: If i catch you misuse my plugins , only then i can legally force you to stop using them.

Someone sharing Plugins for "free" probably doesn't want to bear any liability nor does it want to support this Plugin into eternity.
They probably neither do not want to put in a lot of effort/cost in the legal stuff and just want to share this with little to no obligation.
A custom EULA per developer/plugin would raise the bar to submit a "free" plugin.

A generic FREE EULA is exactly what it is a 'document' that at best we only read once and then assume it's generic for all other Plugins but the exceptional Custom EULA.

Different versions as FREE LGPL(any other), FREE Commercial, FREE DEMO make it IMHO all too confusing.

Your interpretation makes it clear to me that we @componence should make our own EULA and you hire a lawyer reading all EULA's before downloading

Never the less i think raising this question is a good thing, so thanks for that.
Regards, Corné

RE: "Request Entity Too Large" Error from Marketplace

2013-04-16T07:31:52Z

Hi David,

We once experienced this because an EIP added its own big cookie.
Liferay also has some and Google Adsense throws in the rest.

All mounting up in a too big request.

From the top of my head its solvable by allowing a larger request size in Apache

Regards

RE: Aanmelden LNLUG

2013-04-04T16:07:54Z

Jos Groenewegen:

Graag meld ik mij als liferay gebruiker / vertegenwoordiger vanuit de Radboud Universiteit ook aan voor de LNLUG.

Welkom Jos,
Je hebt net het event gemist maar we hebben de foto's nog
Plaats nog even een fotootje bij je profiel en pas je job title even aan

RE: Asset Publisher

2013-04-02T15:22:24Z

Enig historisch overzicht.
http://www.liferay.com/community/forums/-/message_boards/message/1942070
Voorheen was Web Content / Journal Article

Nu:
Asset >> Content
content >> content
Web Content[Journal Article] >> Webcontent

Asset is inderdaad een term die geen equivalent heeft in het Nederlands.
Wij hebben gekeken naar wat de term werkelijk inhoudt in deze context en hebben dat beschreven als Content: Alles wat inhoud heeft en de moeite waard te publiceren.
http://woordenlijst.org/zoek/?id=17548
Niet elk ding van waarde in Liferay is publicable en niet elk ding in Liferay heeft waarde. Liferay inc heeft bepaald wat (standaard) publicable waarde heeft.

Publisher is uitgever en dekt de lading ook niet. Ook hier is gekozen voor wat het werkelijk doet.
Het verzamelen en tonen van publicabele inhoud.

Dus wat doet deze omnipotente heilige graal;
&
Publiceerbare Content Verzamelen en Vertoner

Dit wordt onleesbaar en past niet in het menu dus na een verdichting vallen het voor de hand liggende Publiceerbare en Vertonen af en wordt het wezenlijke van de Portlet het verzamelen verzelfstandigd naar de oorspronkelijke Publisher.
Et voilà .... eh .. én hoepla!

*Contentverzamelaar*

Hoewel ik Contentverzamelaar op zichzelf voor de nederlandstalige gebruiker veel duidelijker vind dan Asset Publisher...

*Asset* zegt een Nederlandse eindgebruiker niets.
nb: de Nederlandse vertalingen zijn bedoeld voor eindgebruikers.

Kortom een erg lang verhaal om te vertellen dat "Web Content" alleen "Webcontent" , "content" >> "content" en "Asset" >> ook content is.
Mocht iemand een geniale vondst hebben voor het begrip Asset dan horen wij het graag.

RE: De LNLUG Website

2013-04-02T08:12:00Z

Events alleen in de kalender invoren (niet in de wiki dus)

Mensen kunnen wijzigingen op de wiki pagina 'volgen' en niet wijzigingen op de events. Een overzicht van events in de nabije toekomst lijkt mij wel op zijn plaats.
In de regel doen we beide.

Rechterkolom: asset publisher met upcoming events (wie heeft genoeg rechten om dit te doen?)

Zie Wieteke

Eventueel ergens ook nog archief van events in het verleden

Gedaan.

Wiki homepage:

* outdated informatie verwijderen

Gedaan, ik wachtte nog even op nieuws van het Event.

* leidraad voor LNLUG members plaatsen, getiteld "Wat kan ik bijdragen", verwijzen naar afzonderlijke handleidingen

Vul maar in zoals jij het voor je ziet. In het verleden heb ik dit zo gedaan, zodat de aandacht niet verloren ging in een of ander obscure hoekje.
Om in een later stadium updates te geven over voortgang. (Zoals ik wel kan doen bij de enige echte actieve initiatieven Meeting/Vertaling.

RE: Aanmelding LNLUG

2013-04-02T07:32:34Z

Willem Vermeer:

Graag wil ik me ook aanmelden als member van LNLUG. Bedankt voor de mooie user group event vorige week bij Ordina!
Groet,
Willem Vermeer

Welkom Willem,
Je staat op de lijst, je kunt je profiel nog aanpassen zodat er geen Full Member staat.

Corné

RE: I18N Requirements...

2013-04-01T20:30:59Z

Hi David,

I do not think it is obligatory to internationalize your Plugins.
Ours are only in English and Dutch (and already some member put in his Spanish translation).
I strongly advise you not to autotranslate. If you need translations pick them from pootle(translate.liferay.com)

It would be great for developers to get their plugins translated in all other languages supported by Liferay.
But honestly, saying this as a translation leader, translating all would become an unachievable task.
Even so it would be great if we could add them to translation process or you open up your git and receive pull requests.

RE: Aanmelden user groep

2013-03-29T09:56:57Z

Ron,
Ook van harte welkom werk je jouw profiel nog even bij?

RE: Aanmelden LNLUG

2013-03-29T08:49:51Z

Sammy Maris:

Graag meld ik mij aan voor deze user group. Toffe dag vandaag met een aantal interessante talks. Goede organisatie, locatie, catering, gadgets!

Sammy, Welkom bij de LNLUG

RE: Aanmelden gebruikersgroep

2013-03-29T08:47:08Z

Matthijs Dekker:

Ik heb vandaag een mok en t-shirt meegenomen ....

... dus meld ik me ook aan voor de Liferay User Group.

Welkom je staat erop !

RE: Asset Publisher

2013-03-07T08:00:20Z

Koen van Dillen:

Ik zoek ook naar de configureer opties die dit portlet heeft.
- Content selecteren
- Content presenteren
- Weergave stijl selecteren

Gelabelde Content Portlet is vlgs mij prima samenvatting.

Wat bedoel je met zoeken ? Je zoekt naar de sleutels in Pootle?

http://translate.liferay.com/pootle/nl/portal/translate.html?unit=512131
http://translate.liferay.com/pootle/nl/portal/translate.html?unit=512144

RE: New Dutch member Liferay Group Netherlands

2013-03-07T07:52:16Z

Ha, Jij bent van harte welkom natuurlijk, ook in het nederlands.
Bij deze ben je lid.
http://www.liferay.com/community/user-groups/netherlands/welcome

RE: Aanmelden usergroup

2013-02-26T10:13:00Z

Hallo Maarten,
Je bent van harte welkom, zou leuk zijn als je je profiel bijwerkt.
http://www.liferay.com/group/control_panel/manage

Pootle alternative

2013-02-11T21:01:35Z

Hi all,

Working again some time with Pootle and finding its quirks and nuisances i stumbled upon a Pootle alternative;
Weblate opensource and free.

Browsing the project it seems to have a lot of features we really could use.
- Branches
- Versioning
- Context (originating source code)
- Commenting (that sticks)
- Glossary
- Notifications
- Git

etc.

I create a demo account for you to play with
http://demo.weblate.org
User:liferaynlug
Password:Liferay

Please take a look at it on share your thoughts?!

RE: Leaders, please review the "unchanged" and "fuzzy" keys in your languag

2013-02-11T20:44:53Z

Hi Daniel,

You might un-sticky this post

RE: Thread Split

2013-02-10T21:57:33Z

Vreemd dat je niet kunt reageren daar.
Ik heb je verzoek inmiddels doorgezonden aan Marije en Burak.

RE: Aanmelden gebruikersgroep

2013-02-10T21:36:52Z

Corné Aussems:

Hallo Corine,
Je was al eerder aangemeld.

Inderdaad ik ook niet dat komt doordat diegene die hem heeft aangemaakt dat niet ingeschakeld heeft voor Guest.
Je hoeft daarvoor dus geen lid van de LNLUG te zijn.

Ik weet niet wat je daar precies kwijt wilt maar de discussie over de agenda is hier gaande.
http://www.liferay.com/community/forums/-/message_boards/view_message/21105941

De discussie over de inhoud hier

RE: Aanmelden gebruikersgroep

2013-02-10T21:16:55Z

Hallo Corine,
Je was al eerder aangemeld.